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356: Becoming a Product Manager ft. Cemre Güngör

July 22, 2020

This week, we caught up with Cemre Güngör to talk about transitioning from design to product management, the tension between the roles of PD and PM, why products fail, and so much more. In The Sidebar, we discuss the most over- and under-rated skills for PMs.

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In this week's Sidebar, we ask Cemre some bonus questions at the end of the interview:

  • What is the most under-rated skill for product managers?
  • What is the most over-rated skill for product managers?
  • Do you find that your success thus far is mostly the result of luck or hard work?


This week we caught up with Cemre Güngör, a product designer turned product manager, currently working on AR and Camera at Instagram.

Cool Things:

  • Brian shared Hamilton (again), now streaming on Disney+. If you've been sitting on the sidelines, sit no more - this is a masterpiece.
  • Marshall shared the Mac Candle No. 2 by Twelve South, in case you need an Apple-inspired candle.
  • Cemre shared Waking Up, a guide to understanding the mind – in app form – by Sam Harris.

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