In this week's episode, we answer a listener question about why product teams aren't comprised of more "unicorns," and we discuss a Twitter thread that questions whether being a hands-off design leader makes you less of a designer. And as always, we share a couple cool things, including a strangely amazing band and an ultimate guide.

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Golden Microphone Patron:

Sisu is looking for a thoughtful and data-savvy designer to help build the next generation of analytics software. You can find out more at sisu.ai.

(You might recognize Sisu from our interview with Michie Cao)

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Follow-up:

• Shoutout to our newest patrons!
  • Bob Weisbecker
  • Bradford Ulrich
  • Danny Haagen
  • James Lyons
  • Jing Zhang
  • Melinda Yang
  • Paul Dippold
  • Ryan Parag
  • Mike Hickman
• Listener Uhl Albert shared this video of PalmOS doing most of the gesture stuff iOS does now
  • This reminded Marshall of the "General Magic" documentary
• Instagram launched their Dark Mode just to embarrass us

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Listener Questions:

• Brandon Weiss asks, "Why are product teams comprised of people who have to work cross-functionally but aren't cross-functional themselves?"
  • A: The quick answer is "unicorns" like that are pretty rare, hence the moniker. The structure and size of a company might determine what roles are needed when that company hires, so while cross-functional employees are super valuable in startups, they aren't necessarily preferable in larger organizations. Ultimately, you'll probably get the best return on your time investment by learning enough about each of your cross-functional partners' duties that you can speak their language, even if you can't do their job.
• In a Twitter thread unrelated to this podcast, Lily Dart asks design leaders, "Do you get given a hard time for not being 'hands-on' anymore? Does it make you less of a designer?"
  • A: First off, no one should give you a hard time for being hands-off. That's just mean and unprofessional. Secondly, Being a Head or Chief or Manager doesn't make you less of a designer, it just makes you something different than the traditional definition of "designer." But that's okay! Your background as a designer helps you do your new role better, and while you should keep your finger on the pulse of the wider design world, no one expects you to sweat about pixels, and actually, that probably wouldn't be the most valuable use of your time. So ultimately, designers whose careers evolve to a leadership position are better off for having been a designer, for sure, but once the role changes, so too should the label.

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One Cool Thing:

• Marshall shared Hobo Johnson's new album, "The Fall of Hobo Johnson"
  • We recommend you get acquainted via this video: "Hobo Johnson and The Lovemakers: NPR Music Tiny Desk Concert", a gig they got after submitting a viral audition video to NPR
  • If you're still in, Marshall likes these songs off the new album: Uglykid, Subaru CrossTrek XV, You & The Cockroach, Happiness
• Brian shared "iOS Shortcuts: The Ultimate Guide for Resources, Examples, Libraries, Triggers, and More"

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